the truth, that cannot just go to obstruction of justice orthe russia collusion, but it goes to the fina ials. the faat the president and paul manafort had some sort of financial dealings that get them in trouble is almost a bigger story sometimes than the russian collusion. because i get a sense in talking to rudy giuliani they're a lot worried about. how about you? >> i think it's makes sense on both sides, obviously paul manafort is not going to improvy his situation in a second trial. and mueller is not going to gain anything by making it bounce while manafort is in prison. the question is what does ma manafo know? what he can certainly help mueller wi is how these very nef farrov nefarious russian operates operation. >> paul manafort was replaced along before the election took place.e he was with th campaign for a very short period of time. what a y, for, like, couple of months? a little periodf time. manafort has nothing to do with our campaign. >> but a month ago, this is what he was saying about manafort. >> i think the whole manafort thing is very, very sad, he's a very good per